Posted by Atul
This is interesting topic.
I wanted to post some points in this thread but office-work is
killing me.
Anyways, let me try to put it though am in hurry.. please excuse for
typos if any...
If we expecting people to enter data about terrorists after they
attacks somewhere, then this data could be available to us even by
searching net. Coz terrorist attacks is not small thing and comes on
net in the form of news or so. However, info about terrorists involved
is again a questions ! Nobody still knows who was actually involved in
1993 blasts.
But if we assuming here that:
"People will know about existance of terrorists around them"
Then I really doubt if this holds true. Because as long as I know,
for common man, its very difficult to identify person involved in
terrorist activities. Terrorist plans are pretty transperant to comman
man. People comes to know only when police kills/caught those
terrorists. And I believe police gets this info by detectives who gets paid for
it and so detectives would least bother to publish anywhere on net, the
info they are having. Sometimes even detectives also fails to foil the
plan and they (terrorists) succeeds !
I've heard of incidences where gangsters were staying in apartments
as common man (I think in Kolhapur district itself) and kids even use
to play with them. Everyone come to know about their reality only
when police encountered them !!
In case of recent incidents, police raided and arrested few guys
(terrorists) with RDX somewhere in Marathwada.
The leader was local guy, but has been found connected with
terrorists network. Till that time people around him was knowing him as
"nice and gentle" guy !!
Also, I believe more dangerous than terrorists are those people who
co-operates them. In recent blasts, it is strongly suspected that
without local citizens (Gaddaars) co-operation, such a nasty
operation is impossible.
Finding traces of their network is real challenge, even agencies in
US also not able to achieve. They even don't communicate on phones or
even direct emails. Because they know they can be traced out easily
by that. Last I heard was Al-Quayda network uses images containing
encrypted msgs.
We gotta consider these.
Tuesday, October 17, 2006
Access to general public
Posted by Mahesh
4 Kind of access modes can be kept.
1) Web
2) SMS
3) Phones
4) Postcard
out of which 1 and 2 can be handled automatically by system.
For 3 and 4 we'll have to dedicate our time. So for initial
stages, 1 and 2 are good option.
4 Kind of access modes can be kept.
1) Web
2) SMS
3) Phones
4) Postcard
out of which 1 and 2 can be handled automatically by system.
For 3 and 4 we'll have to dedicate our time. So for initial
stages, 1 and 2 are good option.
Access problem
Considering that the system is accessible to general public.. how
each and every person in India will have a access? there are around 5
Crore internet users and around 15 Crore cell/land line users.. we can
say about 17-18 Crore persons can access this system..
but what about rest of the people?...
each and every person in India will have a access? there are around 5
Crore internet users and around 15 Crore cell/land line users.. we can
say about 17-18 Crore persons can access this system..
but what about rest of the people?...
Concerns
Posted by Mahesh
Also to answer first point of Ravi.
5/10 years to catch the pattern is not bad idea. My belief is
Terrorism is here to stay. I won't be surprised if there are terror
groups 1000 years in future (if humans survive). All those Sci-Fi
stories do show terror groups on Mars and other parts of galaxies :).
Human society is complex network, terrorists put stress on these
network. So that these networks don't become static, instead they keep
fighting to reach perfection. Much like defence system of our body.
So as long as we have societies, we will have terrorism. The problem
won't be solved, we can control it to some extent. But, we can't solve
it!
ex: You give Kashmir now, and hope it is solved. In another 20 yrs
some one will fight for Punjab, Tamilnadu or say Hydrabad :). One
person with brian damaging idea is good enough to inspire people to
fight.
Also to answer first point of Ravi.
5/10 years to catch the pattern is not bad idea. My belief is
Terrorism is here to stay. I won't be surprised if there are terror
groups 1000 years in future (if humans survive). All those Sci-Fi
stories do show terror groups on Mars and other parts of galaxies :).
Human society is complex network, terrorists put stress on these
network. So that these networks don't become static, instead they keep
fighting to reach perfection. Much like defence system of our body.
So as long as we have societies, we will have terrorism. The problem
won't be solved, we can control it to some extent. But, we can't solve
it!
ex: You give Kashmir now, and hope it is solved. In another 20 yrs
some one will fight for Punjab, Tamilnadu or say Hydrabad :). One
person with brian damaging idea is good enough to inspire people to
fight.
Concerns
Posted by Mahesh
I have those doubts in mind too. Ofcourse open means available to
anybody. Even compatitors! Isn't linux code available to solaris as
well as microsoft? And as Ganesh pointed out, we are talking of
experiment. We cannot know the outcome of the system beforehand. It is
complex system, where millions of minds will interact. If we go by
darwin, life itself is order in chaos. What i mean to say is, though
the system will be chaotic, some pattern will emerge. We should have
necessary tools to find out those patterns.
System can be based on life like principles, where false input is
given -ve points and good inputs +ve.
The member id who gives more +ve input slowly becomes trusted member.
There will be people who are into rumours, we may call them green
terrorists. Say someone put "Rajmane is terrorist". It is rumor and
i'll be green. Once he comes into news, he moves to say orange..with
more proofs he becomes yellow and a hardcore known (like bin laden) is
red.
We have to comeout with rules, by which names will be added deleted.
Rules themselves will be subject of review and we change them as and
when it is needed.
Mostly poeple who are interested in sharing intelligence or disrupting
intelligence will create member-ids to add/delete. For read, system is
available to any1 (no need of id).
Even addition deletion wont be one mans job. There will be reference
counts, something like confidence level of members. Say 100 members
have said "Rajmane" is terrorist. Then if one member deletes, it doesn
go...100 members have to delte it, then the name will disappear.
Plus, if system is popular enough, there will be journalists and
police interested. They will have valuable inputs.
We won't be tracking ip address of members, so no-one has to fear.
Terrorists or police anyone has free hand, within rules!
Its number game. We move by principle that most of people are good!
Ravi, you input was good. Hope i'am able to answer some of your and
sudarshans concerns. But, reality is that i'am also not sure exactly
how to do this. We have to brain storm and comeout with solution. And
it is experiment after all. Nobody will be harassed, because his name
comes in this system. It is public system. Without proof, police can't
catch anyone. So even if there is some false information in system, it
is harmless. But think of good information!!! That can save lives!
Ganesh thanks for your help. All of us are needed in such an effort.
I have those doubts in mind too. Ofcourse open means available to
anybody. Even compatitors! Isn't linux code available to solaris as
well as microsoft? And as Ganesh pointed out, we are talking of
experiment. We cannot know the outcome of the system beforehand. It is
complex system, where millions of minds will interact. If we go by
darwin, life itself is order in chaos. What i mean to say is, though
the system will be chaotic, some pattern will emerge. We should have
necessary tools to find out those patterns.
System can be based on life like principles, where false input is
given -ve points and good inputs +ve.
The member id who gives more +ve input slowly becomes trusted member.
There will be people who are into rumours, we may call them green
terrorists. Say someone put "Rajmane is terrorist". It is rumor and
i'll be green. Once he comes into news, he moves to say orange..with
more proofs he becomes yellow and a hardcore known (like bin laden) is
red.
We have to comeout with rules, by which names will be added deleted.
Rules themselves will be subject of review and we change them as and
when it is needed.
Mostly poeple who are interested in sharing intelligence or disrupting
intelligence will create member-ids to add/delete. For read, system is
available to any1 (no need of id).
Even addition deletion wont be one mans job. There will be reference
counts, something like confidence level of members. Say 100 members
have said "Rajmane" is terrorist. Then if one member deletes, it doesn
go...100 members have to delte it, then the name will disappear.
Plus, if system is popular enough, there will be journalists and
police interested. They will have valuable inputs.
We won't be tracking ip address of members, so no-one has to fear.
Terrorists or police anyone has free hand, within rules!
Its number game. We move by principle that most of people are good!
Ravi, you input was good. Hope i'am able to answer some of your and
sudarshans concerns. But, reality is that i'am also not sure exactly
how to do this. We have to brain storm and comeout with solution. And
it is experiment after all. Nobody will be harassed, because his name
comes in this system. It is public system. Without proof, police can't
catch anyone. So even if there is some false information in system, it
is harmless. But think of good information!!! That can save lives!
Ganesh thanks for your help. All of us are needed in such an effort.
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